Disclaimer: what I am about to write is only what I have learned and is only my beliefs that keep the interaction between the Okla Chito, some friends that are in our small group and myself. We are not a research group nor do we collect evidence or attempt video or photographic proof of them. Most of our small group are just friends that I have known over the years that have seen similar things I have and want to learn more.
When you were a child you were taught what you can do and not do. In all my years as a researcher, and now just plain learning what I thought I knew I have observe that they have strict discipline nature of their children as we do ours. This is where I came up in my own words as dos and don’ts when going out to visit their locations. I never invade their space or their home (living) areas. I never walk towards them, if I can see them. I never raise my voice towards them. I never point a flashlight/red laser of any kind. Everyone that has been out with me knows I do not even carry a flashlight. I have always just been that way, even as a child playing in the woods at night I never used one.
To continue: I never throw trash down or leave trash in any areas of nature. I normally never carry a firearm on my person (trust me some of my friends make comments about that). In some locations of remote areas I do for the protection of animals (bears, mountain lions, etc). One thing I can say is that if I know they are present there are no other animals in the area such as bears and mountain lions. In as a personal choice and only my opinion. I never throw rocks or anything back at them. ( I have only had rocks thrown in my direction maybe 3-4 times) I never try and bait them, I only leave “thank you” offerings when it is appropriate. Here are some of the things I do that tend to have positive outcomes over a period of time. I always ask permission to walk to areas that maybe near them or move to see them better. Now when I do this, I have never been given a verbal acknowledgment. However when this happens they move or give the impression of acceptance, for example: One time when I asked to move closer to see them, one of them (larger adult) actually moved closer to me where I could see him a little better) I could go on and on over this but do not want to bore you. All I am saying is if you give them the respect and patience your experience will have a better outcome. Everything that is proven in science is about trial and error. The things I have seen my friends do with some of these rules have paid off. You can see a change in actions with the Okla Chito, but again this has taken several years to accomplish this as where our group and myself are today. Build that trust, respect, and patience you maybe amazed of what could happen.
Troy Hudson, Chairman
Honobia Bigfoot Conference Council
Editors Note: Troy Hudson is a regular contributor to Bigfoot Buzz
Troy, it’s good to hear fresh ideas. We have been
doing the same thing over and over and expecting
different results. Einstein said something about this
but I don’t think he was referring to bigfoot research.
Thank you Sir, it would be great if everyone would work together. But I won’t go there. Anything I can share just ask. It maybe not be the best advice, but atleast you can be sure whatever I give has been tried and tried again for positive results.
I agree completely. I just cringe when I see a video of some fella tramping around, saying, “This is a nesting area,” and walking all through that spot. Ai yi yi. Just give them their space.
I will admit, many years ago I was that person. Looking and wondering around the woods tramping on everything. I have a different thought about it now, if I happen to know that is their area I stay away and respect it. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not like I stay out of the woods completely. I kinda have part-time occupation for being in the woods, since my military days I instruct in escape/evasion techniques (wilderness survival) and now I teach it to ROTC, among other military youth organizations.
The wilderness belongs to all of us how does anyone really know when your in a supposed bigfoot area per say, If these creatures or forest people want us to give them space why not communicate this in a way that we for one know they exist and two know what they want and need. I’m all for giving the beings room to live but we also need to know who they are and why are they here.
I understang what you are saying, truely do. What I am talking about when I say their living areas or space I know of several areas that I suspect is their “space to be themselves without our intrusion” You and everyone else asked “How do you know or suspect this?” In the past 8 years in all of my travels and diligent investigative research I came across one person that use to be a Hobo that live in the mountains near Honobia, Oklahoma. He started to work for a friend of mine at some cabins and one day he asked me “why do you not ask people about Bigfoot”. I told him I grew up not far from here and never bother people about it, if they want to tell me something, I will listen. He said that he had lived in the mountains for 3 years, he had seen the big hairy giants (as he called them) and knows where they go to get away from people. He said his camp was one mountain away from theirs. Long story short he showed me where this is and told me to never go there respect their space. I told him I know about the respect they want from us. In another location in Oklahoma near a tribal reservation similar story is told. Where they live, everyone in the community knows this and adheres to it. All I am saying is if you do find out where they go to be left alone, take that advice, leave them be. I should have explained that further, sorry for the misinterpretation.
Troy,
I appreciate your dedication to your beliefs and for talking about them here. We Chinuk call them Skookum “Evil God of the Woods” and for good reason. As I read through your writings I became concerned for your spiritual well being. Skookum is not known for blatant assaults or attacks on our tribe however there are many known encounters with unhappy endings. Not all encounters are bad and end poorly; most encounters are nothing more than glimpses and shadows. We most certainly don’t go to their places to seek them out. Your technique is way out of balance and could be the influence of a false profit or mistakenly referred to as Shaman. A true spiritual leader would never encourage looking for Skookum or even “Chito” (is this Cherokee slang?). A true spiritual leader would already know of these things and discourage “visiting and leaving thank you gifts”. Respect is acknowledging their right to be left alone. Listening to false profits can influence every part of your spiritual well being. Our Soul’s Health is inseparable from Nature and should not be tampered with. The Do’s and Don’ts by Troy Hudson should simply read don’ts. I approached the existence of the Skookum in the same way I would assess the existence of any large mammal, be it grizzly bear, black bear or mountain Lion.
Viho
Vito, I think I can speak only as an interested
old white guy. What Troy has tried to explain to us,
we all apreciate, for most of us know little of how
Native Americans relate to bigfoot. Your culture has dealt with this subject much longer than our’s
has. I’m sure even among the different tribes there
is a variety of beliefs concerning bigfoot. If you
would care to write more, rest assured it will be read. We can all aree to disagree at times.
Viho, I am sorry I misspelled your name,
really I need new reading glasses.
I guess I should have explained more, I am NOT motivating or encouraging that people go out looking for them, “leave them alone, they will leave you alone” what I should say to make it clear is, if you are in a position, ie landowner etc. You see them or have experiences with them you can say thank you with a gift. I am in no way trying to indicated that I am a shaman or medicine man. I am actually little offended by that. I am just a regular person and as I said, hardly no anything about the Chito (Which is Choctaw for Big). I respect your views and comments. I am only sharing some of the things I have learned in the past as invited by the blog host here. No more and no less. I do not post anywhere else or have the desire to.
Hello Old Man,
I am very concerned about these writings and how they are being represented. As I read through this it became obvious that here is a person that claims to respectful but is doing exactly the opposite. There are contradictions in what Troy is saying. There is a big difference between folklore and reality. I teach grade school and I run in to this kind of misguidance often and it usually is a result folklore and a person’s individual interpretation of the story. Folklore is nothing more than the elders attempting to explain things they didn’t understand. Skookums ability to move quickly and stay hidden is the basis for most of stories and folklore associated with them. It is important to remember and share the actual meaning of our legends and folklore to preserve our History so others can learn from them. They are simply a way of describing the past and not to be taken literally.
The first contradiction is Troy builds a wall between us with a disclaimer. If all of this were true he should be sharing not stone walling.
The second contradiction is the claim of asking for permission to visit. A Shaman is a person regarded (folklore) as having access to, and influence in, the world of benevolent and malevolent spirits who typically enters a trance state during a ritual and practices divination and healing. The shaman operates primarily within the spiritual world, which in turn affects the human world. The restoration of balance results in the elimination of the ailment. There is no room for “Bigfoot Research” as they already know.
Troy’s words -”I always ask permission to walk to areas that maybe near them or move to see them better. Now when I do this, I have never been given a verbal acknowledgment”.
So, we asked to believe you are walking in our forests in a trance state while performing rituals; asking permission? While toting gifts; when appropriate.
This is the ailment but it is being presented as it were the “thing to do”. The only thing extraordinary here is we are expected to believe this.
Viho
My students call me Viho.
Viho, Thank you for your time and words. I repect
what you are saying as well as what Troy has said.
We all must deal with our beliefs as best we can.
When try to explain these beliefs to others
we are limited by words that both parties under-
stand. And with-in the confines of a box that we type into with no room to express emotions. Such is the world we have to live in now. Perhaps if we
were seated around a campfire, the meaning of
words would flow much easier.
This country has freedom of speech, why this country is so great. People see things in their own ways, and how they do things or think differe from one to the other. I respect any person’s words. But here in the south as we say, “we do things a little different” if it ain’t broke don’t try and fix it. I have no clue what goe’s on in the PNW, but what I can assure you is that down here, things are little different.
Troy, You said you leave gifts? I am wondering what it is you leave for them. I have been thinking about it and can’t think of anything other than food that would make a good gift. What do humans have that a bigfoot would want? Food is ok but you know the old saying; Don’t feed the animals! @Viho, someone had to call horse hockey but that is the longest version I have ever seen.
Kim
I would not suggest leaving food, alot of people do, and sometimes that causes problems in the future. I have left items in the past as I would any offer or thank you aspect for any reason. I have left tobacco, sage, willow branches, and corn (on the cob). Yes corn is a food, but it isn’t the food as it is, the message of the corn is that corn is seen as a staple of life, at one time corn was seen as one of the greatest gifts someone could give another. It’s the meaning and intent behind it, not actually the item itself. Hope that makes sense?Don’t worry I have been in this for awhile now, I have heard just about all the anti-this and anti-that, your doing it wrong and your a liar, etc etc. People have thier freedom of speech, let them speak, it dosen’t bother me.
Last part of that is not directed to anyone specific, it’s just what I have been exposed to over the years in the researcher world.
Hello Troy,
I am confused, why leave them things they already have access to? A hair brush or a flea collar comes to mind. How do you communicate with them and why would they even want to visit with you? Can anyone develope the ability to talk to them?
I was a bit disappointed by your reply to my questions. I really think that what you are telling us is true but you make it difficult to believe. You make fantastic claims but offer nothing to substantiate them. I am not asking you to prove anything but why bother telling us this story if you can’t or won’t back up what you are saying?
I would like to make another attempt. Can you tell us how you communicate with bigfoot? (without using the words Elders and respect). You said in your reply (above) that your techniques are documented by other research groups – OK can you at least tell me where to find this info? a link or a group name? I just trying to understand this bigfoot thing and all I get is unsubstantiated claims.
Sorry Kim, communication comes in many forms for each of us. I do not directly communicate with the Bigfoot. I have used combination of Choctaw and English. They do reply, either it is repeated or they are actually answering back, I do not pose questions to them, just hello and thank you. In some of the references I have mentioned, elders share with me what they were told of their elders how they tried to share communications with the Bigfoot (Okla Chito). Only that what I have tried and do, has some accomplishment in that, when I return to these areas they do show up, without the use of “call blasting” or “tree knocking”. They tend to stay as long as I stay, it is only my opinion that whatever I am doing has some results that they show up, when I show up and they sometimes allow me to see them in the day time and of course more at night. Hope that makes sense, forgive me for not providing that in the first place.
“I always ask permission to walk to areas that maybe near them or move to see them better.
“I do not directly communicate with the Bigfoot”.
Being trained in law enforcement you of all people should know that when a whitness changes their story you have to take a step back and evaluate the situation.
Thanks for the info on the brfo. I will visit their website and see if they can keep their story straight. I really tried here!
Documented by other research groups? I was once with BFRO back several years ago, I have no clue if they keep what I have done within their data base. Other documentation is what I have kept from over the years. I do provide information about what we do at our Bigfoot Conference in Honobia, Okla each October.
I am sure someone could build a communication link between them. I have tried for many years, most of what I see and get is just their arrival and usually just a “stare off contest” if you know what I mean.
“You said in your reply (above) that your techniques are documented by other research groups” Kim I have looked back and trying to see where I may have said this, like i said in my reply, I am former BFRO, where lot of my documentation is and my personal investigative history. I am just trying see where you see that I may have said “other research groups”
Kim
Good questions, it is my belief through years of hearing elders talk about what their grandfathers had told them. It is certain aspects that some people have observed that they are non-materialistic in nature, they have been known to take certain items from say a barn or farm, but yet the owners will find that item a week or two later discarded on the ground. Tell you the truth I have never left anything like that before, what I have described that I do leave sometimes is because of my upbringing and knowledge of certain tribal customs and protocols. Communication? Well, all due respect to your question, I would like to answer that a little later down the road. But it has been documented in some research organizations and people that I have come to know that have no reason to lie or make up a story as that they have been witnessed to have signed with some people that were death. So there is possibility that some tribal elders are right, they have said that the Okla Chito can speak in many forms, such as local tribal language and sign language. I know that is hard to believe, this is what I have come to learn in the past 8 years. I do think you can develop a form of communication with them, but it will take extreme patience, discipline, respect towards them, and time. I have learned nothing in this topic happens quickly, 8 years I have been in this as some of my childhood experiences to understand nothing comes quick.
Troy, glad to see you are back.
Yes sir, sorry I have been out in the field. I will be back for a couple of weeks and then back out in the sticks, per say!
I feel enlightened and I am ready go out bigfoot hunting. I had no idea it going to so simple. Step one – listen to your elders. Step two – Remember childhood basics; No home invasions, No yelling, don’t shine lights in people’s faces especially laser’s. Step three: Don’t throw trash. Step 4: Carry a weapon when it suits you and don’t throw rocks even if they started it. Step 5: Ask permission to enter and be sure to have some sage or at least a good bottle of wine. Step 6: Bammm — proof of bigfoot.
Do us all a favor and stick to golf.
No worries, Old Man, I am use to it. I see people like this everyday. People will be people. It’s people like this that make me smile because they really have no clue.
Wow, Your serious about this? When I posted my comment I was joking because I thought this was a spoof. Kind of at a loss for words here, I will manage though. If you read through dos and don’ts it follows my comment almost exactly. You really don’t give any advice or techniques to aid in research. One person ( Kim) asked you point blank questions and the best you could do is “A little later down the road”? You didn’t answer a single question for her! Wow again!! I hope you realize that all you are doing here is bragging. Did the Elders teach you that or did Bigfoot tell you to brag? I am shocked.
I can take care of myself thank you.
I respect your words, but the message is there loud and clear. Words come from the heart, not the mouth. If you really understand what I have wrote and what I write, you would see the message that is before you. No one is right and no one is wrong. Only what is believed by each of us.
Alright then!! enough of this. Can I get some of the drugs you are on? They must be really good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyote
No one is expected to believe the words of others. Respect comes in many forms. I would and will never make fun of your words or belief’s. Why would you mine?
Like I said I thought you were joking so we got off on the wrong foot. Since then, I found out your serious about this and to be clear – you don’t need me to point out the fact that this whole Dr. Dolittle concept is questionable.
@ Enlightened,
Get off his back or I will start talking to you too.
Interesting how much people really make this world what it is. No Sasquatch didn’t tell me these things, elders have shared certain things and I have learned certain things. Wisdom comes from teachings, messages, and patience of learning. I have learned alot from you Enlightened. Thank you.
This an ugly thread. This is the unbalance I was talking about. You said it yourself ” This happens every day” You need to disengage with one who claims to be your mentor. Skookum is an air breather, they bleed, they die and they don’t even want to “communicate” with you or me any more than a bear would. This thread should be removed it is an insult to Native Americans.
Then I suggest you contact the owner of the blog. Everyone has their opinion.
Anyone born in North America is a Native American. If your trying to say that it is a insult to Native Indians then I would see what your trying to say. I respect anyone’s words. I see that you do not agree with the things I have wrote. I am not mad, or want to argue. It is your opinion, I will respect that, but you should respect my opinion as well. That is all I am saying.