Jan 072013
 

Trap-3-300x253MABRC Quantra Bigfoot Capture Update

Okay, part 2.
I was hoping to have these responses from Ed before posting this morning. I have them now.
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Question: What is the approximate weight of the cage? What is the approximate cost for 1 cage?
Ed Smith: The weight is 2983 lbs stripped down with the standard buildout and no special requirements. Weight in place is 4206 lbs with N2 Tanks, Batteries, etc and no camouflage.
Generally speaking $ 31,817.09 each.
Question: Is there more than one of these cages? If so, how many?
Ed Smith:
Yes, 6 in the field 1 ready stand by And 1 reserve. Total of 8 all to gather not counting the prototype.
Question: I am assuming this cage is on private property?
Ed Smith: Yes, capture site examination site and repository. No public land were utilized during any on the O-6 research projects.
Question: How did you (or the members of Quantra) come up with the specifics on how to build this cage, and the specifics for the tranquilizers and “knock out gas”?
Ed Smith: It’s not a cage it’s a crate.
The shipping container was the first choice but it could not support our modifications. I went back to the drawing board and began with what was needed and worked backwards. The other members of O-6 really let me run with it, the unit had to be strong, logistically functional, and autonomous. We had to have communication, video feeds, status monitoring and the ability to operate in all weather conditions
The knock down gas system is pretty straight forward storage tanks, supply manifold, servo valves and distribution system. Nitrogen was chosen because it is an inert gas. N2 will force the Oxygen out of the small space volume of the trap unit and the specimen would drop in unconsciousness relatively quick if we were to use CO2 it would be to detrimental to the specimen. The time in between the gas and the arrival of the contractors on the capture site should be no more than four to six minutes. The gas system would dispense a lower dose than the first one every three and a half minutes.

Question: The tranquilizer (I have been told) would need to be a precise measurement. Were you or this group working with a primatolgist?
Ed Smith: We had a zookeeper help with the dosage tables.
Special note (From Ed): When I’m answering the questions I’m referencing what the O-6 was doing. The Quantra Group may be doing something different I would have no way of knowing it.
Courtesy of Melissa Hovey wrote:
his first question and answer bit is a bit confusing – what Ed did was take the entire question and he broke it down into part.. Here is the full question.
Quote: The most overwhelming question I have right now – deals with your relationship with Quantra. You stated you are not a member of Quantra – yet you received a text message discussing this alleged “capture”. You have stated those involved with Quantra are not really happy with you for the release of information – but why are they even involving you at this point? Instead of being furious and threatening you with legal action for disclosure of information – it appears they are taking you back in the fold and are making you apart of this. Are you supporting this group in some way?
Question: The most overwhelming question I have right now – deals with your relationship with Quantra. You stated you are not a member of Quantra -
Ed Smith: Yes that is correct. I have never have been a member of Quantra Group. Past present or future.
Question: Yet you received a text message discussing this alleged “capture”.
Ed Smith: Yes I did.
Question: You have stated those involved with Quantra are not really happy with you for the release of information -
Ed Smith: This is true.
Question: but why are they even involving you at this point?
Ed Smith: They asked me to oversee the Bridging Group meeting. I agreed as long as they were compliant with the frame work of the meeting. It is important.
I am not a spokesman for the Quantra Group as has been misreported. They do have a PR agency in the wings I do not know their game plan.
Question: Instead of being furious and threatening you with legal action for disclosure of information -
Ed Smith: The have informed me that legal action is on the table.
Question: It appears they are taking you back in the fold and are making you apart of this.
Ed Smith: I am not a member, consultant or a representative of the Quantra Group. As stated above, I’m assisting with the Bridging meeting and that is it.
Question: Are you supporting this group in some way?
Ed Smith: I’m assuming you mean financially? No they do ask questions from time to time but other than that, No.
Question: What is the reasoning behind a capture scenario then eventual release?
Ed Smith: My goal when the O-6 was in operation. We were to capture, examine, and release. It was on the advice of an academic consultant that we began to design an eventually construct a repository(s) for the holding of a specimen for long term examination 30 to 90 days in duration.
I’m concerned this long term examination period might lead to behavior issues for the specimen four of the members of O-6 (NOT ME) opted for the add-on to the project.
Question: By your own admission you have seen no pictures or anything that would prove this event has actually taken place.
Ed Smith: Yes that is correct.
Question: So, what percentage of belief do you put in this being a legitimate capture scenario?
Ed Smith: From what I have seen at the periphery I would put it at better than ninety percent. (90% +)
Good Morning Here is the continuation of my questions and answers with Ed Smith.
Questions in full:
1. If you have seen no photos, videos, reports or the alleged specimen, how can you be 90+ % sure this is a legitimate capture scenario? What information have they provided that makes you that certain?
2. I read your explanation for your involvement with Quantra on this. But, that does not explain why they are involving you. By all rights, they could have kicked you to the curb for your information disclosure. But, they have not. Why not?
3. Who is Mr. Alexander? What can you tell us about him?
4. Going back to the “crates”. You stated there are 8 total, but there are 6 in the field. Are they all on one property? If not how many to a property and do you have a number for the people involved that know about these “crates” and their locations?
5. Let’s talk about the “knock down” gas and how you described the air being sucked from the crate to render the subject unconscious. What preparations, if any, were made should the subject not begin to breathe on their own? Could you describe this in more detail as some are alleging simply doing this and not performing some kind of resuscitation (and following up with an immediate tranquilizer) would have ended with the death of the alleged subject.
6. From what field(s) of study is the group getting advice for sedation, immobilization, general health & welfare and examination?
a. Exotic husbandry (e.g. zookeeping), general biology, wildlife biology, veterinary (domestic, wildlife or exotic), medical, or other? b. From the field(s) listed in the response for 1.a. which are protocol consultants, hired or on the ground participants, or group members?
Questions and Answers:
Question: If you have seen no photos, videos, reports or the alleged specimen, how can you be 90+ % sure this is a legitimate capture scenario?
Ed Smith: At the meeting in Houston they spoke of the specimen and referenced it several times.
Question: What information have they provided that makes you that certain?
Ed Smith: They are the ones who want to have a face to face meeting that was not a battle to get in the meeting framework.
It’s just a matter of what content is or must be presented at the meeting. Other than what I have already discussed I have drawn those conclusions.
Question: I read your explanation for your involvement with Quantra on this. But, that does not explain why they are involving you. By all rights, they could have kicked you to the curb for your information disclosure.
Ed Smith: I endured about an hour of anger at the Houston meeting and there still may be legal ramifications. “I do bring to the table an understanding of the Bigfoot community we do not have” as stated by one of the principals in attendance.
I have stated and I will do it again, I am only overseeing the Bridging Group Meeting. Nothing More!
Question: But, they have not. Why not? What makes them think you won’t disclose sensitive information now?
Ed Smith: I have not signed any other NDA’s or agreements, So that’s a question that the principals would to have To answer.
Question: It is not my intent to insult you, but if you were on the outside looking in, as most in this community, you would have to admit it is curious that they would want to keep you involved.
Ed Smith: Outside of the information that I have shared in my posts and in the Q&A. Compared to being in control of the O-6 operations. I am on the outside. I’m just standing closest to the window. I told DW and DO in a phone call tonight I have never seen an organization that has a plan in front of them and yet they don’t know what to do?
It is frustrating to say the least.
Now let’s switch the tables, if I were in their shoes knowing what I do from my past work and everything else being same. I would have kicked me out.
They did not.
Keep this question and ask them at the meeting.
Question: Who is Mr. Alexander? What can you tell us about him?
Ed Smith: He is a successful trader in secondary commercial (commercial mortgages, student loans, etc). Mid fifties educated has three children marred thirty plus years.
Question: Going back to the “crates”. You stated there are 8 total, but there are 6 in the field. Are they all on one property?
Ed Smith: I’m speaking only about how the O-6 operations that were conducted. No.
Question: If not how many to a property and do you have a number for the people involved that know about these “crates” and their locations?
Ed Smith: I’m speaking only about how the O-6 operations that were conducted. Maximum of two per property depending on location topology many different factors, a minimum nine personnel per location again it would vary on location.
The examination area would have 1 or 2 additional personnel until needed when the examination team would assemble. The examination team consists of 18 to 20 additional personnel brought in to the location when needed. These are as needed personnel and would be assembled and notified with the “Flash List”
Question: Let’s talk about the “knock down” gas and how you described the air being sucked from the crate to render the subject unconscious. What preparations, if any, were made should the subject not begin to breathe on their own? Could you describe this in more detail as some are alleging simply doing this and not performing some kind of resuscitation (and following up with an immediate tranquilizer) would have ended with the death of the alleged subject.
Ed Smith: The knock down gas system does not force all O2 out of the crate. The escaping air exits through vent slots at the bottom additional air slots at the top of the unit allow air in to the unit at a reduced rate. The system reduces the amount of O2 in the air to cause an unconscious state.
The unit was tested with one O2 sensor in the middle of the unit at half height and four more in each corner at floor level. The system reduced the available O2 level to 9.71% for a duration of 57 seconds O2 levels returned to Normal in 88 seconds, that is why we set the follow on N2 releases at 3.5 minutes. There was no need for necessitation determined.
Question: From what field(s) of study is the group getting advice for sedation, immobilization, general health & welfare and examination?
a. Exotic husbandry (e.g. zookeeping), general biology, wildlife biology, veterinary (domestic, wildlife or exotic), medical, or other? b. From the field(s) listed in the response for 1.a. which are protocol consultants, hired or on the ground participants, or group members?
Ed Smith: We contracted and compensated zoologist, biologist, geneticists, large animal veterinarians, radiology technicians, medical lab techs some of these professionals were contracted as consultations but some were contracted for the examination team most of these served a dual purpose.
EMT, Ex military personnel, and members of the O-6 staff were utilized in the field operations.
All signed non disclosure agreements and were compensated at 3 to 7 times the normal rates for their profession and participation. When we ceased operation severance compensation was provided.
The majority of them continued on with the Quantra group under new NDA’s and compensation packages. O-6 NDA’s remain in affect for 25 years or until released. These were reaffirmed at severance.
Courtesy of D.W. Darkwing Lee wrote:
I have finished talking to the final member of the Bridging Team today, and he has agreed to participate.
Here are the Bridging Team members on the independent team.
Dr. Jeff Meldrum Kathy Strain Melissa Hovey Abe Del Rio Steve Kulls
The MABRC part of the Bridging Team is as follows:
D.W. Lee “Darkwing” Randy Harrington “Driveroperator” Jim Whitehead “Biggjimm” Rob Gaudet “ElectricBigfoot” Doug Todd “Holotype”
Even though many will not respect the privacy of the Bridging Team members until after the meeting occurs, I’m asking for everyone to be courteous and respectful enough to not bother these folks. They will report what happens, good or bad, and they only know what everyone else knows at the moment.
 Posted by at 7:06 PM

  10 Responses to “Quantra Bigfoot Update 01/07/2013”

  1. Sounds exactly like the text/buzz surrounding the release of the Majic 12 UFO documents years ago, chillingly similar.
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    • Well,having had my hopes dashed so many times,I am going to take a wait and see attitude. However,any venture with Meldrum,Kulls,Hovey etc. is a venture that I know will be honest and will not be a part of any hoaxed material. I have faith in those people who have proven to be the real deal over the years. Way to go guys….just keeping fingers crossed that this could be real but not holding my breath. Good luck though.

  2. If all is true and I say if, and there is a bigfoot captured
    and studied by experts, it my hope it is released safely
    with no harm. My concern is a possible disease trans
    mission to the creature. As well as trauma to it mentally. And of course the feds don’t get their hands
    on the creature.

  3. A recurring theme in these scenarios is the obviously poor education revealed by some of the players in their written statements. They may produce an impressive phrase now and then (probably memorized in the way cop wannabees memorize law enforcement jargon) followed closely by grammar, spelling and punctuation that one associates with a high school dropout. How can we take seriously “experts” who write like gas station attendants? Are they all just late-bloomers, too lazy to learn their first language or what? Hoaxers; not even good hoaxers. How desperate are we to believe?

  4. It’s all about the money

  5. I can’t get over how big Bigfoot’s photoshopped by Chuck head is.

    If those are 1×8′s, Bookwus has a 16″ wide face.

  6. Dr. Jeff Meldrum will discuss this topic in a public appearance at Cabela’s Retail Store in a conference titled “Strange, Rare, and Unusual Sightings on February 15th, 16th, and 17th. At Cabela’s we do not know the truth but we support the research to find it.

  7. The Conference will be held in Wheeling, West Virginia Cabela’s Store.

  8. It’s being said Ed Smith hoaxed everything not sure if it’s true MABRC banned him recently also Squatch Unlimited just deleted his profile from their site… Not sure about this still hopeful I guess… Nothing on Mr. Alexander or Quantra

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